1 00:00:02,540 --> 00:00:17,690 [Music] 2 00:00:22,950 --> 00:00:20,820 all right hello and we are live at the 3 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:22,960 Randolph Street Market this is some type 4 00:00:30,269 --> 00:00:27,550 of like anniversary or something now 5 00:00:32,370 --> 00:00:30,279 this is Sally we've been she's been on 6 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:32,380 the show I think three four times so 7 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:34,930 many more we started out we started out 8 00:00:40,290 --> 00:00:37,480 doing lighters cigarette lighters and 9 00:00:43,110 --> 00:00:40,300 you don't even smoke first of all that's 10 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:43,120 right did she say you want to yeah yeah 11 00:00:48,689 --> 00:00:45,070 let's start out with this is Sally 12 00:00:51,780 --> 00:00:48,699 Schwartz say hello chilly Windsor High 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:51,790 and you are a bakelite expert and 14 00:00:56,540 --> 00:00:54,370 costume jewelry appraiser that's here at 15 00:00:59,670 --> 00:00:56,550 the Randolph market to do that for you 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:00:59,680 I'm Duane Scott's Ernie co-owner of the 17 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:01,090 Broadway antique market everybody calls 18 00:01:05,430 --> 00:01:03,430 me Danny I've got a new book out selling 19 00:01:08,070 --> 00:01:05,440 dead people's things selling dead 20 00:01:09,150 --> 00:01:08,080 people's things and look at this I don't 21 00:01:11,910 --> 00:01:09,160 know if you can just hold the cover 22 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:11,920 right up toward the camera yeah I love 23 00:01:18,270 --> 00:01:16,420 that cover is that a self-portrait part 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:18,280 of a self-portrait my younger days yeah 25 00:01:24,150 --> 00:01:21,490 yeah alright so we are in Chicago and 26 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:24,160 this has been going on for 15 years 27 00:01:27,570 --> 00:01:25,720 Sally can you tell a little bit of how 28 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:27,580 this start because you last night when I 29 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:31,600 met your okay we'll say your ex-husband 30 00:01:38,130 --> 00:01:34,300 you started you have to talk into the 31 00:01:41,999 --> 00:01:38,140 mic so I was a party planner and I still 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:42,009 kind of am and my ex-husband and I would 33 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:45,610 travel to all these flea markets to buy 34 00:01:49,450 --> 00:01:48,310 props for events so if I was doing a 35 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:49,460 speaking 36 00:01:54,580 --> 00:01:51,530 I did a lot of regular things parties 37 00:01:56,470 --> 00:01:54,590 like 50s themed party speakeasy and in 38 00:02:00,130 --> 00:01:56,480 those days everybody was decorating 39 00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:00,140 parties with cardboard cutouts of a 57 40 00:02:06,220 --> 00:02:03,680 Chevy or and I hated that flat thing so 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:06,230 I would go to flea markets and buy like 42 00:02:11,950 --> 00:02:09,890 a grill of 57 Chevy or you know 43 00:02:15,010 --> 00:02:11,960 something from the Jazz Age you know old 44 00:02:17,650 --> 00:02:15,020 musical instruments or whatever and so 45 00:02:18,970 --> 00:02:17,660 that's how I decided that we needed 46 00:02:20,470 --> 00:02:18,980 something in the city so I didn't have 47 00:02:23,470 --> 00:02:20,480 to drive out there cuz it's just hell I 48 00:02:25,990 --> 00:02:23,480 don't like sitting in the car so we 49 00:02:27,490 --> 00:02:26,000 started three huge events called the 50 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:27,500 Chicago antique and collectibles 51 00:02:31,810 --> 00:02:30,200 festival and people remember those shows 52 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:31,820 we did three big shows that were very 53 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:34,730 successful Danny was there Julie shopped 54 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:36,350 I've got pictures of Julie's shopping at 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:39,110 that show and we had three shows one 56 00:02:46,290 --> 00:02:43,010 show was a total heat wave I don't know 57 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:46,300 100 people in Chicago died that weekend 58 00:02:51,699 --> 00:02:49,910 no but it was it was this thing where 59 00:02:53,860 --> 00:02:51,709 the city people were dying in their 60 00:02:57,250 --> 00:02:53,870 houses and you know elderly but anyhow 61 00:03:00,280 --> 00:02:57,260 and that was fun as a promoter then we 62 00:03:02,410 --> 00:03:00,290 had another show which we had the wind 63 00:03:05,229 --> 00:03:02,420 storm and that's how everybody talks 64 00:03:07,330 --> 00:03:05,239 about that event they call it the show 65 00:03:10,690 --> 00:03:07,340 that blew away because we had a 66 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:10,700 microburst and it was the first 67 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:12,680 microburst that was ever in Chicago and 68 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:14,510 it blew through the entire event we got 69 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:16,390 a phone call in the middle of the night 70 00:03:21,729 --> 00:03:19,940 from the security on site and they said 71 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:21,739 you have to and when we left the site it 72 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:23,870 was gorgeous there was not a cloud in 73 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:25,790 the sky that was not a bit of wind and 74 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:29,690 somehow or other this nasty wind came 75 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:31,390 through 76 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:35,020 we ran down there my my ex and I and all 77 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:36,310 you could hear was stuff flying through 78 00:03:39,810 --> 00:03:38,290 the air I mean it literally sounded like 79 00:03:42,570 --> 00:03:39,820 a hurricane 80 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:42,580 I mean it kind of was inside he wanted 81 00:03:46,830 --> 00:03:44,080 to run into the giant tent that we had 82 00:03:50,310 --> 00:03:46,840 and all you could hear were snap snap 83 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:50,320 tent poles snapping on a giant tent can 84 00:03:55,230 --> 00:03:53,350 you imagine the wind snapping tent poles 85 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:55,240 and there was stuff flying around I 86 00:03:58,500 --> 00:03:56,590 thought he'd get decapitated by you know 87 00:04:01,440 --> 00:03:58,510 like plate or some you know fork or 88 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:01,450 something and the next morning we 89 00:04:05,010 --> 00:04:03,340 brought all this staff in we had all 90 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:05,020 these people sweeping we gave everybody 91 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:08,530 a camera like a little Instamatic so 92 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:10,330 they could photograph the damage for 93 00:04:17,670 --> 00:04:13,510 their insurance and we actually got the 94 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:17,680 show up were you in the tents did you 95 00:04:20,970 --> 00:04:19,120 and the weird thing about that what 96 00:04:22,650 --> 00:04:20,980 happened in the tent was the wind went 97 00:04:25,710 --> 00:04:22,660 like this so there could be one booth 98 00:04:27,270 --> 00:04:25,720 with real heavy things that everything 99 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:27,280 broke and then there could be a booth 100 00:04:32,190 --> 00:04:29,080 that had pieces of paper on it and it 101 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:32,200 didn't even move there was a giant rug 102 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:34,570 and oriental rug that blew across the 103 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:37,570 entire site and was up against the fence 104 00:04:43,290 --> 00:04:39,790 I mean it literally was like a flying 105 00:04:44,850 --> 00:04:43,300 carpet people lost jewelry we had our 106 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:44,860 staff every piece of jewelry was found 107 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:46,600 somebody lost sapphires and I mean it 108 00:04:52,350 --> 00:04:49,030 was literally on the ground the staff 109 00:04:55,409 --> 00:04:52,360 found it the Explo into the river it was 110 00:04:57,180 --> 00:04:55,419 horrible and then so that was great we 111 00:04:58,980 --> 00:04:57,190 had this great show that we're doing and 112 00:05:02,040 --> 00:04:58,990 then we find out that the property that 113 00:05:05,340 --> 00:05:02,050 we had it on was sold for development 114 00:05:08,909 --> 00:05:05,350 and then my marriage fell apart and then 115 00:05:11,459 --> 00:05:08,919 there goes the show and then 116 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:11,469 oh no weird we were crying the whole day 117 00:05:17,429 --> 00:05:16,330 it was so stressful and so then so I 118 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:17,439 always wanted to get the show going 119 00:05:22,980 --> 00:05:19,900 again but my husband was gone I went 120 00:05:25,379 --> 00:05:22,990 through a divorce I moved and somehow or 121 00:05:27,689 --> 00:05:25,389 other the PERT that my banker was on the 122 00:05:29,189 --> 00:05:27,699 board of the West Loop Organization and 123 00:05:30,899 --> 00:05:29,199 he said they needed someone to come in 124 00:05:33,149 --> 00:05:30,909 they wanted someone to take over the 125 00:05:35,610 --> 00:05:33,159 West Loop the taste of West Loop which 126 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:35,620 is a huge rock festival with all these 127 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:37,990 bands and I went in for this meeting and 128 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:39,849 I said I don't want to do that but would 129 00:05:43,709 --> 00:05:41,770 you be interested in an antique market 130 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:43,719 because this neighborhood was completely 131 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:46,409 dead nothing was here but it was 132 00:05:49,679 --> 00:05:48,250 Portobello Road and all those other 133 00:05:51,209 --> 00:05:49,689 markets are always where the markets 134 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:51,219 were like where you bought the fruit the 135 00:05:59,100 --> 00:05:52,870 vegetables and this is the original 136 00:06:03,420 --> 00:05:59,110 Market District in Chicago so yes 137 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:03,430 exactly no Jimmy Hoffa yeah he's he's 138 00:06:08,579 --> 00:06:04,180 buried here 139 00:06:11,369 --> 00:06:08,589 but yeah it was great it was really easy 140 00:06:14,129 --> 00:06:11,379 that when I started because I had 141 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:14,139 everybody helping me and then the 142 00:06:18,689 --> 00:06:16,750 neighborhood has gotten so big debts 143 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:18,699 McDonald's moved into this neighborhood 144 00:06:23,939 --> 00:06:21,520 when we started here you could you could 145 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:23,949 you could sunbathe in the street and 146 00:06:29,339 --> 00:06:25,930 they say that the show has brought 147 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:29,349 people to this neighborhood so I feel 148 00:06:36,179 --> 00:06:31,210 like I should you know own some real 149 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:36,189 estate which I don't stupid just real 150 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:37,990 quickly yesterday when we were talking 151 00:06:45,659 --> 00:06:41,409 you said JFK John Kennedy got his start 152 00:06:48,089 --> 00:06:45,669 be is it the building behind us or so 153 00:06:51,059 --> 00:06:48,099 this is the plumbers Union Hall it is 154 00:06:53,159 --> 00:06:51,069 the largest union in the entire world 155 00:06:54,719 --> 00:06:53,169 all the plumbers unions have 156 00:06:57,629 --> 00:06:54,729 consolidated right here this is where 157 00:07:01,429 --> 00:06:57,639 the labor movement the Teamsters started 158 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:01,439 this building is from the 20 1920s and 159 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:02,649 yes 160 00:07:07,309 --> 00:07:05,289 so it was Mayor Daley he made the 161 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:07,319 decision I mean he was so much power so 162 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:10,000 they actually had a referendum here and 163 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:11,529 they brought in John F Kennedy when he 164 00:07:15,749 --> 00:07:13,300 was looking for the NAM to be the 165 00:07:17,009 --> 00:07:15,759 nominee of the Democratic Party and it 166 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:17,019 was Mayor Daley that got John F Kennedy 167 00:07:22,470 --> 00:07:19,840 here on the ballot 168 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:22,480 to be the presidential candidate it all 169 00:07:29,659 --> 00:07:26,550 happened here it's pretty historic I 170 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:29,669 want to be talking a little bit about 171 00:07:33,629 --> 00:07:32,080 bakelite and what's happened in the 172 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:33,639 market in just a few minutes but right 173 00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:37,440 now I want to talk with Danny and Danny 174 00:07:43,650 --> 00:07:40,240 talk about the premise of the this book 175 00:07:47,219 --> 00:07:43,660 is rated pretty high right now and so 176 00:07:50,310 --> 00:07:47,229 talk about first of all what made you 177 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:50,320 decide to put it together and and how 178 00:07:59,969 --> 00:07:52,630 it's doing so well right now all that 179 00:08:02,010 --> 00:07:59,979 from start to finish in 2013 I was lucky 180 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:02,020 enough to get a piece that I wrote for 181 00:08:08,340 --> 00:08:03,850 the New York Times 182 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:08,350 out of the slush pile how dare they 183 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:10,120 and it was called traces of a man who 184 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:13,360 disappeared and it was about it was a 185 00:08:16,650 --> 00:08:14,950 very just a short little kind of oh 186 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:16,660 Henry asked story which I didn't realize 187 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:18,340 it at the time but that's I guess what 188 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:21,970 it was which was headed by Michael wine 189 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:24,820 rip who won a Pulitzer Prize and he just 190 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:26,050 took it under his wing and he goes oh my 191 00:08:30,390 --> 00:08:27,700 gosh I this I've got to put this in the 192 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:30,400 paper and it made quite a little 193 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:32,770 sensation you should you should google 194 00:08:41,490 --> 00:08:34,000 it so it's traces of a man who 195 00:08:42,990 --> 00:08:41,500 disappeared I am I am I am but that was 196 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:43,000 the first thing that I mean written a 197 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:45,490 lot of things and it was the first thing 198 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:47,380 that just well obviously resonated and 199 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:49,180 the response was so great and I thought 200 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:51,010 what was it about this story and it was 201 00:08:55,769 --> 00:08:53,770 because I took people to a really 202 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:55,779 unusual estate sale I brought them 203 00:09:00,720 --> 00:08:57,550 through it and then it has this kind of 204 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:00,730 Wow ending which I did not expect and 205 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:04,420 it's a brief little thing and it I think 206 00:09:08,490 --> 00:09:06,400 it really counters a lot of the reality 207 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:08,500 television that's out there and on the 208 00:09:13,620 --> 00:09:11,800 pho that you know people yeah that the 209 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:13,630 things that you see and Julie sees and 210 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:14,950 you know when you do when you do this 211 00:09:19,470 --> 00:09:17,140 for a living like the real stories and 212 00:09:21,170 --> 00:09:19,480 no not everyone is fantastic but I 213 00:09:24,510 --> 00:09:21,180 thought you know I've got a 214 00:09:26,730 --> 00:09:24,520 collection of these odd experiences and 215 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:26,740 I thought wouldn't make wouldn't make 216 00:09:32,220 --> 00:09:29,310 kind of B and rather curious 217 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:32,230 hybrid of a memoir if I could could put 218 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:33,970 in like how I got started just like how 219 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:36,250 Sally has her story we all have our 220 00:09:39,990 --> 00:09:37,510 story how we kind of got into the 221 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:40,000 business and then kind of skew it in 222 00:09:45,270 --> 00:09:43,330 with some of the better state sales and 223 00:09:47,820 --> 00:09:45,280 experiences that stories that I've come 224 00:09:49,950 --> 00:09:47,830 across and it's so this is this is not a 225 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:49,960 Bay for dummies it's there at Etsy for 226 00:09:53,910 --> 00:09:52,450 idiots it's not it has nothing to do 227 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:53,920 with money which is really gonna 228 00:10:00,510 --> 00:09:56,760 probably piss people off so thank you 229 00:10:02,550 --> 00:10:00,520 it's its people its people and things 230 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:02,560 and why things are important and why 231 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:05,410 people are important and how objects 232 00:10:12,630 --> 00:10:08,290 what we collect defines who we are want 233 00:10:15,270 --> 00:10:12,640 to admit and so that's basically what 234 00:10:17,310 --> 00:10:15,280 this is it's a collection of some of the 235 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:17,320 best stories and things that happened 236 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:18,910 like every day it took 20 years to pull 237 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:21,010 these stories together and five years to 238 00:10:30,450 --> 00:10:26,670 write but that's it in a crazy nutshell 239 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:30,460 yeah I I was doing an appraisal clinic 240 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:31,810 here yesterday I had a conversation with 241 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:33,640 a woman and she started telling the 242 00:10:38,610 --> 00:10:36,400 stories about all her pieces that she 243 00:10:43,020 --> 00:10:38,620 collected and I said isn't it wonderful 244 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:43,030 to have the story to the piece and and 245 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:46,390 recently I had a interview my last show 246 00:10:51,330 --> 00:10:49,300 on this was with an eBay spokesperson 247 00:10:53,450 --> 00:10:51,340 and I said it loses when someone just 248 00:10:59,880 --> 00:10:53,460 clicks on something it loses the story 249 00:11:02,250 --> 00:10:59,890 the long travel yeah so how important do 250 00:11:03,780 --> 00:11:02,260 you find it I'll just ask you know what 251 00:11:07,470 --> 00:11:03,790 do you think about the story of an item 252 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:07,480 how important is that well I I think how 253 00:11:14,259 --> 00:11:10,080 it changes hands is kind of fascinating 254 00:11:20,590 --> 00:11:16,970 something something is lost and then 255 00:11:23,990 --> 00:11:20,600 refound Andrey found again and this is 256 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:24,000 Andrey loved and and and in what in what 257 00:11:27,259 --> 00:11:26,310 industry and what business does that 258 00:11:30,380 --> 00:11:27,269 happen 259 00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:30,390 it just doesn't and that's why the story 260 00:11:38,150 --> 00:11:35,519 becomes all the more important well I 261 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:38,160 have some examples I got a piece of 262 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:40,440 bakelite that I had sold a customer and 263 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:42,630 she brought it back to me because she 264 00:11:46,699 --> 00:11:44,670 wasn't wearing it it was a pan of a 265 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:46,709 woman and she was sort of in a like 266 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:49,019 shirong type thing perfect for this day 267 00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:51,990 or it's like 90 degrees anyway it was a 268 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:55,200 native woman in a scarf II item and it 269 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:57,360 was carved out of bakelite and she said 270 00:12:00,710 --> 00:11:58,890 I just am not wearing it I'd like to 271 00:12:02,389 --> 00:12:00,720 trade it in and I allowed that of my 272 00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:02,399 customers it's sure you can trade it 273 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:04,079 back in it's in perfect condition you 274 00:12:08,810 --> 00:12:06,720 haven't damaged it so I decided to put 275 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:08,820 it on ebay but when I put it on eBay I 276 00:12:14,030 --> 00:12:12,089 wrote about it that I felt the shape and 277 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:14,040 silhouette of the woman pen looked like 278 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:16,079 something painted in a go GaN painting 279 00:12:22,009 --> 00:12:18,660 so all of a sudden this pin that this 280 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:22,019 woman had paid $300 for that I decided 281 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:23,730 looked like it had come out of a go GaN 282 00:12:28,579 --> 00:12:25,920 painting went for over two thousand 283 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:28,589 dollars on ebay so I was able to sell it 284 00:12:33,199 --> 00:12:31,410 for more money and it was rare you 285 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,209 didn't it wasn't a piece you could come 286 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,279 across very often we never really know 287 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:37,440 how many they were made because the 288 00:12:41,569 --> 00:12:38,970 records come from different family 289 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:41,579 factories and we just don't know the 290 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:43,290 production and what's left of those 291 00:12:48,740 --> 00:12:45,510 productions so it could be less than six 292 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:48,750 pieces that are of this Tahitian woman 293 00:12:53,389 --> 00:12:51,360 because they were all hand carved out of 294 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:53,399 sheets of bakelite during the Depression 295 00:12:57,430 --> 00:12:55,769 and sold in dime stores for maybe ten 296 00:13:00,680 --> 00:12:57,440 cents or a dollar 297 00:13:02,810 --> 00:13:00,690 anyway this pin she got back her $300 298 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:02,820 plus she got like a percentage of what 299 00:13:07,730 --> 00:13:05,160 we sold it for but I was able to 300 00:13:10,130 --> 00:13:07,740 describe it as a Gogan Tahitian woman 301 00:13:13,730 --> 00:13:10,140 pin made in bakelite and it made people 302 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:13,740 want it because sometimes when you can 303 00:13:18,530 --> 00:13:16,680 identify the time period or what was 304 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:18,540 important in the world like the movies 305 00:13:24,290 --> 00:13:21,300 South Pacific or whatever was going on 306 00:13:27,380 --> 00:13:24,300 and that these Carver's of bakelite were 307 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:27,390 actually also looking at the time 308 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:30,330 when they designed the pieces it made it 309 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:32,730 have a history and a story that made it 310 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:35,040 more valuable so I think that's part of 311 00:13:48,020 --> 00:13:37,800 what we do as collectors and as people 312 00:13:50,930 --> 00:13:48,030 documenting it is important I think that 313 00:13:53,270 --> 00:13:50,940 a lot of the dealers that don't do this 314 00:13:56,780 --> 00:13:53,280 they're the ones that tend they have no 315 00:13:58,100 --> 00:13:56,790 success because if you can't romance or 316 00:14:00,020 --> 00:13:58,110 have love for the thing that you bought 317 00:14:00,710 --> 00:14:00,030 and you have some feeling for who had it 318 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:00,720 before you 319 00:14:04,220 --> 00:14:03,120 I don't think everybody does that I 320 00:14:06,020 --> 00:14:04,230 think a lot of people just throw it all 321 00:14:08,450 --> 00:14:06,030 out there they don't it's too busy they 322 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:08,460 don't have time you know but you know 323 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:10,530 you love every single piece so you're 324 00:14:15,950 --> 00:14:13,050 not just trying to just you know turn a 325 00:14:20,270 --> 00:14:15,960 profit you really you identify what it 326 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:20,280 is make it important so about about 327 00:14:27,530 --> 00:14:25,050 bakelite how you know I think of all 328 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:27,540 these like segments of the market as big 329 00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:30,300 like being a segment of the market has 330 00:14:35,330 --> 00:14:33,360 that been weathering the storm of 2008 331 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:35,340 when everything kind of crashed and went 332 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:37,800 all over the place it's funny the 333 00:14:43,190 --> 00:14:39,810 bakelite actually had a more tragic 334 00:14:45,890 --> 00:14:43,200 situation there was a particular 335 00:14:50,330 --> 00:14:45,900 collector that embezzled quite a bit of 336 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:50,340 money and what happened was he was about 337 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:52,290 to get caught so he turned himself in 338 00:14:58,010 --> 00:14:55,170 and he had taken about seven million 339 00:15:01,160 --> 00:14:58,020 dollars and used a lot of it to buy 340 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:01,170 bakelite so the market became falsely 341 00:15:05,630 --> 00:15:03,600 inflated pieces that should have gone 342 00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:05,640 for two grand that were nice really 343 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:07,470 beautiful pieces went for ten grand 344 00:15:15,830 --> 00:15:11,420 because he could pay he was actually 345 00:15:18,590 --> 00:15:15,840 just deciding he wanted to have a bigger 346 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:18,600 collection and he also collected Barbie 347 00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:21,060 dolls and head vases and when he found 348 00:15:24,370 --> 00:15:22,560 out he was going to go to jail because 349 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:24,380 they were changing the payroll system 350 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:27,480 he had like filtered this money into his 351 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:29,100 bank account to the tune of forty 352 00:15:34,070 --> 00:15:32,790 thousand a month of extra money so 353 00:15:35,780 --> 00:15:34,080 anyway when he figured out they were 354 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:35,790 going to catch him he decided to turn 355 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:38,070 himself in he went to jail and he 356 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:39,930 bakelite was all auction dat the Doyle 357 00:15:44,690 --> 00:15:42,210 auction houses in New York and the 358 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:44,700 market just started to drop because that 359 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:47,490 was the false inflation and it really 360 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:49,350 shouldn't have been that high I mean it 361 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:51,330 went up starting with the beautiful book 362 00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:54,240 that Corky and Jenny root wrote to New 363 00:15:59,420 --> 00:15:56,220 York ladies that wrote this picture book 364 00:16:01,550 --> 00:15:59,430 of bakelite in the 80s and then the man 365 00:16:03,980 --> 00:16:01,560 who did the embezzling just made it go 366 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:03,990 as high as it could go and then it 367 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:06,450 dropped out and so now I would say that 368 00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:10,110 it's sort of not as high as it was not 369 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:12,540 as high as it was before the gentleman 370 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:15,030 that decided to acquire so much bakelite 371 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:17,910 but it's it's hanging in there but soon 372 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:19,650 bakelite will be celebrating a hundred 373 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:22,170 years so I think we need to look for 374 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:27,180 ways to celebrate that I would say 375 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:30,870 pretty close we're pretty close actually 376 00:16:35,540 --> 00:16:33,210 it was it was developed for industrial 377 00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:35,550 purposes but during the Depression it 378 00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:44,810 so it was the first plastic that was 379 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:46,920 ever invented that was thermoset with 380 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:50,190 heat and pressure with formaldehyde and 381 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:53,160 phenolic acid and it was done through a 382 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:55,710 sort of a process of excluding you 383 00:17:01,160 --> 00:16:57,660 actually put the chemicals together and 384 00:17:02,750 --> 00:17:01,170 it it um ends up in tubes or sheets and 385 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:02,760 then those tubes or sheets that are 386 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:05,790 coming out of the machinery can be 387 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:08,880 molded or carved into other things so it 388 00:17:13,819 --> 00:17:10,230 was used for a lot of industrial 389 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:13,829 purposes it was used in cars in aviation 390 00:17:18,260 --> 00:17:16,170 for a lot of the housings of electronic 391 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:18,270 a lot of in your homes you'll remember 392 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:20,010 the black telephones were all bakelite 393 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:22,290 the handles on all the fiber where pots 394 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:24,870 and pans or bakelite the brownie cameras 395 00:17:30,290 --> 00:17:27,660 are bakelite and the the fada bullet 396 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:30,300 radios all the radios all the housing 397 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:34,170 that was all bakelite so gutta-percha 398 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:38,280 is more of an english material that 399 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:41,010 comes from trees it's either tree sap or 400 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:44,940 actually the bog oak type stuff that was 401 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:47,160 for Victorian mourning jewelry 402 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:49,290 so that's earlier than bakelite and it's 403 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:51,370 more of a natural material there also 404 00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:53,890 celluloid which again is a milk protein 405 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:55,780 plastic which is more of a natural 406 00:18:01,650 --> 00:17:58,570 material whereas bakelite is a man-made 407 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:01,660 material the first scientific plastic 408 00:18:06,750 --> 00:18:04,090 and then they used it for jewelry during 409 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:06,760 the Depression couldn't afford to carve 410 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,330 in Jade ivory onyx all those materials 411 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:12,400 so instead they turned to this new 412 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:14,710 plastic and carved bakelite and put it 413 00:18:24,990 --> 00:18:23,320 in dime stores sure I think a lot of 414 00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:25,000 ladies started collecting it because 415 00:18:29,010 --> 00:18:26,559 they felt like it was jewelry they could 416 00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,020 wear without having someone say I'm 417 00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:31,600 gonna take that diamond or gold bracelet 418 00:18:34,860 --> 00:18:32,350 off your wrist 419 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:34,870 I think ladies started wearing it first 420 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:37,270 because it wasn't gonna be high level 421 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:40,090 and they weren't worried about it being 422 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:42,370 stolen or being robbed wearing it and 423 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:44,830 then I think it also has an aspect of 424 00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:47,170 fashion to it because it's oversized 425 00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:49,630 it's very creative it's very colorful 426 00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,480 like lifesavers and chuckles it's very 427 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:54,880 happy and during the Depression women 428 00:18:57,060 --> 00:18:56,410 were looking for things to make them 429 00:18:59,250 --> 00:18:57,070 happier 430 00:19:00,840 --> 00:18:59,260 so these dollar accessories they could 431 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:00,850 pick up in dime stores like cherry 432 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:03,490 necklaces and pins made them feel better 433 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:05,890 and happy and bright colors so jewelry 434 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:08,950 gets big when times are tough we return 435 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:11,320 to big accessories and it's a good way 436 00:19:15,630 --> 00:19:12,760 to make an outfit look better and make 437 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:15,640 you happier so it was that's the reason 438 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:22,480 I think it had its heyday you said it 439 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:24,970 looks like lifesavers and chuckles it's 440 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:30,970 love chuckles that makes it fun people 441 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:33,280 were looking for colorful ways to feel 442 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:36,640 happy and bakelite bakelite is about 443 00:19:44,860 --> 00:19:42,600 so Sally I want to hand it to you for 444 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,870 what you do here at Randolph Street 445 00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:46,880 Market and one of the things you see 446 00:19:51,220 --> 00:19:48,440 here you don't see it other shows is 447 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:51,230 young people and I want to talk a little 448 00:19:56,890 --> 00:19:52,730 bit about that first I'm going to ask 449 00:19:59,740 --> 00:19:56,900 Danny what do you think in you've been 450 00:20:01,720 --> 00:19:59,750 in this business a long time how do you 451 00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:01,730 think we can save this business by 452 00:20:05,710 --> 00:20:03,350 getting more young people involved kind 453 00:20:08,350 --> 00:20:05,720 of like the idea that Sally does she's 454 00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:08,360 brings entertainment in and and what do 455 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:09,590 you think is going to attract young 456 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:11,929 people back into looking at antiques in 457 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:13,990 general yeah there was certainly a 458 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:16,220 period maybe 10 years ago where it 459 00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:17,690 started to wane 460 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:21,200 certainly the 2008 that that heard I've 461 00:20:24,399 --> 00:20:22,730 heard everybody and that was like hey 462 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:24,409 where is this gonna go and then it 463 00:20:28,029 --> 00:20:25,970 really happened kind of organically 464 00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:28,039 vinyl they just had a record Record 465 00:20:30,970 --> 00:20:29,360 Store Day which is the 10th anniversary 466 00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:30,980 was huge 467 00:20:36,730 --> 00:20:33,679 everywhere so young people totally get 468 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:36,740 vinyl that brings people to markets like 469 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:39,289 this to stores like mine Broadway 470 00:20:45,070 --> 00:20:42,830 antique market the collecting and then 471 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,080 vintage clothing and you know once you 472 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:46,880 get them in on one thing and then it's 473 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:48,710 clothing is like how many times that you 474 00:20:53,409 --> 00:20:50,090 know sell something that's called it was 475 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:53,419 a girl or a young man and they go what 476 00:20:57,159 --> 00:20:55,070 is this what is this piece of plastic 477 00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,169 this is bakelite this is lucite and if 478 00:21:04,840 --> 00:20:58,640 we know what they're buying a bangle or 479 00:21:09,399 --> 00:21:04,850 the buying a pin yeah the entry drug you 480 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:09,409 know into vintage and and again we won't 481 00:21:14,260 --> 00:21:11,030 really have to salute Sally because this 482 00:21:16,270 --> 00:21:14,270 is her 15th anniversary give this of 483 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:16,280 Randall Street Market which is stunning 484 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:18,049 and it's it also shows that you know 485 00:21:20,860 --> 00:21:19,490 people come from all over the world to 486 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:20,870 come to Chicago because it's such a 487 00:21:26,409 --> 00:21:23,450 great market I've got clients who fly in 488 00:21:28,899 --> 00:21:26,419 from New York shop might my shop run 489 00:21:39,970 --> 00:21:28,909 over here have lunch and go right back 490 00:21:42,250 --> 00:21:39,980 to the airport so Sally what what made 491 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:42,260 you decide to to gear the show to young 492 00:21:49,630 --> 00:21:46,190 people well so when we started this show 493 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:49,640 in 2003 and I had a partner when I 494 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:52,690 started not my husband my ex-husband 495 00:21:56,260 --> 00:21:54,890 people were still collecting antiques it 496 00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:56,270 was still huge people were going to 497 00:22:02,680 --> 00:21:57,710 sandwich they were going people were 498 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:02,690 into it and about the next year it was 499 00:22:06,669 --> 00:22:04,970 very noticeable that young people 500 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:06,679 weren't even coming everybody had gray 501 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:09,110 hair that was shopping pretty much there 502 00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:09,970 were people that were really 503 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:12,260 fashion-forward and cool that got it 504 00:22:17,649 --> 00:22:14,570 from from day one you know the artist 505 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:17,659 got it and people like Julie and people 506 00:22:22,539 --> 00:22:20,090 that were connoisseurs got it but the 507 00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:22,549 general public hated the idea of the 508 00:22:28,270 --> 00:22:25,340 word antiques and when I started it was 509 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:28,280 called the Chicago antique market and it 510 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,929 was great and people loved it and got a 511 00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:31,039 lot of publicity but young people 512 00:22:35,580 --> 00:22:33,470 weren't coming because that word made 513 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:35,590 them think of their grandmother and 514 00:22:38,889 --> 00:22:37,490 everybody was started using the word 515 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,899 vintage and they started to use the word 516 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:42,080 retro and Danny was on that from really 517 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:43,250 from the start because your whole look 518 00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:45,830 is just it's all retro you've got that 519 00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:51,320 great tag recycling 1959 right recycling 520 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:53,720 1950 since 1990 which i think is just 521 00:23:02,320 --> 00:22:57,490 genius of course trademark trademark 522 00:23:04,539 --> 00:23:02,330 anyhow right so so so what we did the 523 00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,549 second year was we started the indie 524 00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:06,799 designer fashion market and we brought 525 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:10,159 in all these fashion designers in 526 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:12,350 Chicago the top people disco they're an 527 00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:14,990 institute you know and they brought with 528 00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:17,000 them all these really hip happening 529 00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:19,460 young designers who had their email us 530 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:21,740 another thing that had happened was is 531 00:23:26,590 --> 00:23:25,039 that the original dealers all they would 532 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:26,600 do is they to market the shows they 533 00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:29,270 would hand out cards and other shows but 534 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,880 as those shows started to disappoint and 535 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:32,960 they weren't going to as many shows 536 00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:34,850 every weekend that whole channel of 537 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:35,460 promoting 538 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:38,190 sort of went away so and they not a mid 539 00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:40,169 email I mean it was like can you please 540 00:23:45,889 --> 00:23:44,220 mail me the application so the young 541 00:23:48,409 --> 00:23:45,899 people are the ones that have sheets of 542 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:48,419 paper they write down people's email 543 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,370 addresses they ask for business cards 544 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:52,500 though they were doing things on a much 545 00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:54,690 better level than the original antique 546 00:23:58,159 --> 00:23:55,950 dealers who weren't thinking about the 547 00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:58,169 internet really except to buy on eBay or 548 00:24:01,789 --> 00:23:58,740 something 549 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:01,799 so we just started trying to and we call 550 00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:05,490 that in the business a loss leader if 551 00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,799 you talk about marketing so you bring 552 00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,600 those young designers and you don't sell 553 00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:11,039 them space for the same price that the 554 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:15,390 antique dealers were and I mean at this 555 00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:17,010 point everybody needs a break because 556 00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,880 it's hard to sell when the Internet is 557 00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:23,279 where people are going to buy stuff so 558 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:25,020 that has changed we all win you're in 559 00:24:29,450 --> 00:24:27,049 business you constantly have to shift 560 00:24:32,389 --> 00:24:29,460 what it is and how you promote how you 561 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:32,399 get people and you have to survive so 562 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:35,580 that was a method of survival was 563 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:37,260 bringing in the young audience but of 564 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,990 course everybody hated it they were so 565 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:42,240 pissed off the first year we did this 566 00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:44,490 show everybody was an antique dealer and 567 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:46,590 they were excellent everybody was an 568 00:24:51,889 --> 00:24:49,980 amazing antique dealer and we had one 569 00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:51,899 person who was not an antique dealer she 570 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:54,390 was a fine artist and she but she put 571 00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:57,570 her art into an antique frame and people 572 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:00,299 were pissed off about that like she is a 573 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:02,730 famous artist she was discovered on site 574 00:25:08,539 --> 00:25:05,850 her name is Francine Turk Francine Turk 575 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:08,549 who was discovered by a Hollywood set 576 00:25:13,399 --> 00:25:10,890 decorator at the show on the street and 577 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:13,409 all of her art was in the movie with 578 00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:16,900 Janna from Jennifer Aniston and 579 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:19,820 what's his name I don't even know what's 580 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:24,770 his name Vince Vaughn god duh can't 581 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:25,910 remember things but I got to remember 582 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:28,730 people's names which I'm not good at so 583 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:31,190 anyhow and it was in that movie because 584 00:25:36,250 --> 00:25:33,530 she played an art gallery owner so all 585 00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:36,260 of Francine's work appeared in that 586 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:39,260 movie and she became a big thing she's 587 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:41,240 collected by Mick Jagger she's got I 588 00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:43,730 mean and and the dealers that were here 589 00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:45,020 didn't want her it was a huge 590 00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,160 controversy so you can imagine you can 591 00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:51,200 imagine the year when we brought in all 592 00:25:56,650 --> 00:25:53,720 these young fashion designers that's new 593 00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:56,660 that stuff's new and I would say that 594 00:26:02,200 --> 00:25:58,610 stuff is made as well as all the old 595 00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:02,210 stuff it is made by hand it is made in 596 00:26:06,190 --> 00:26:04,340 the United States there's I mean there's 597 00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:06,200 Nooh and then there's new that came off 598 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:08,540 of a container from China you know that 599 00:26:18,970 --> 00:26:09,890 is not you can't put these things in the 600 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:18,980 same category right yeah that's a hard 601 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:22,610 one because it's just impossible at this 602 00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:26,090 point to manage and I think everybody's 603 00:26:30,550 --> 00:26:28,790 knocking off the original but I think 604 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,560 that just makes the original more 605 00:26:35,290 --> 00:26:32,480 valuable when people find something 606 00:26:37,090 --> 00:26:35,300 that's actually real and it's not a 607 00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:37,100 repro I mean a repro shouldn't cost what 608 00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:41,720 something real costs but I mean very 609 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:43,430 hard to monitor it unless you're an 610 00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:47,210 expert on every single item one thing I 611 00:26:51,670 --> 00:26:49,220 think that has been faked really good 612 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:51,680 for many years is gal a glass I don't 613 00:26:58,030 --> 00:26:55,010 know if you even know what that is but 614 00:27:02,890 --> 00:26:58,040 it's a cameo carved glass and it's very 615 00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:02,900 beautiful and so Galle glasses faked so 616 00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:06,500 much and so good for so long that it 617 00:27:11,290 --> 00:27:09,500 started driving down the prices then 618 00:27:13,870 --> 00:27:11,300 they became a few experts that really 619 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:13,880 really knew what was right and what was 620 00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:14,510 wrong 621 00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:16,460 the the good pieces are still selling 622 00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:19,100 for huge amounts of money but there's 623 00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:20,900 only a few people that can you know 624 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:23,540 actually I bought one but I bought a 625 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:28,010 good piece by accident I want to say 626 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:30,950 Turkey and it's very very well done 627 00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:41,330 yeah very well done yeah so there's yeah 628 00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:43,220 I think the difference between 629 00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,620 reproductions and fakes his fakes are 630 00:27:49,870 --> 00:27:47,360 made to deceive reproductions are 631 00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:49,880 copying you know a design you know 632 00:27:58,810 --> 00:27:53,750 basically and you know I've bought fakes 633 00:28:01,090 --> 00:27:58,820 before you know anyone can get burned in 634 00:28:03,370 --> 00:28:01,100 twenties a lot of stuff that was like 635 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:03,380 French Empire you know like louis xvi 636 00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:06,650 stuff got copied and that stuff is 637 00:28:10,450 --> 00:28:08,150 amazing because it was made really well 638 00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:10,460 a lot of its painted its gilded and I 639 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:13,190 mean if you buy something now and it's 640 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:16,010 really beautiful and timeless if it 641 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:17,810 looks like something else it'll still be 642 00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:20,450 around just that's other stuff that's 643 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:22,160 new that's been sprayed with all this 644 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:24,650 you know like pesticide and so it 645 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:26,690 doesn't put bugs in people's houses and 646 00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:28,550 all you know fire retardant bug 647 00:28:32,980 --> 00:28:30,380 repellent everything is just stuff is 648 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:32,990 not made to be loved or lived with 649 00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,600 a quick little story about 650 00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:42,159 so so oftentimes you know we're talking 651 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:43,360 about like Galloway glass things they're 652 00:28:46,529 --> 00:28:45,100 really expensive and hard and and 653 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:46,539 oftentimes it's it's the little things 654 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:48,850 in life there's the small items you'd 655 00:28:54,629 --> 00:28:50,860 say well no one's gonna reproduce that 656 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,639 which is true so well in the 90s woman 657 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:56,320 comes into my store what comes into my 658 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:56,710 store 659 00:29:00,570 --> 00:28:58,450 you're after you're by your father a 660 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:00,580 birthday gift every year it's a pair of 661 00:29:04,889 --> 00:29:03,369 cufflinks or a tie or a cocktail shaker 662 00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:04,899 right and every year it's like she wants 663 00:29:07,619 --> 00:29:06,340 to give him something better right and 664 00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,629 she never this year I went even 665 00:29:09,149 --> 00:29:08,799 something better better better we all do 666 00:29:12,659 --> 00:29:09,159 that 667 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,669 got to be the best thing ever Isaac tell 668 00:29:16,109 --> 00:29:14,320 me about your dad you know he's retired 669 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:16,119 now when he loves his grandchildren and 670 00:29:19,979 --> 00:29:17,529 he used to be an accountant volleyball 671 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,989 Walker right and I said yeah but what do 672 00:29:23,639 --> 00:29:22,480 you know about him and she goes what's 673 00:29:25,049 --> 00:29:23,649 the oddest thing you know about him and 674 00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:25,059 she goes oh you know he was an incubator 675 00:29:34,349 --> 00:29:32,230 baby tell me more right yeah going like 676 00:29:37,049 --> 00:29:34,359 how can that be exactly this would be 677 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:37,059 certainly an older gentleman so now 678 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:39,609 we're gonna go to the 1920s so there was 679 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:43,600 a dr. Corey who started an incubator on 680 00:29:48,659 --> 00:29:46,330 Coney Island for preemies for preemies 681 00:29:50,669 --> 00:29:48,669 and this was and he had figured this out 682 00:29:51,869 --> 00:29:50,679 from from doing this with eggs and 683 00:29:55,769 --> 00:29:51,879 thinking gee would this work with 684 00:29:57,659 --> 00:29:55,779 children right now and at that time the 685 00:29:58,979 --> 00:29:57,669 death rate was phenomenal that no 686 00:30:00,419 --> 00:29:58,989 hospice would take it so these are 687 00:30:01,349 --> 00:30:00,429 desperate parents bringing you here like 688 00:30:03,299 --> 00:30:01,359 where am I going with this story right 689 00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,309 these are desperate parents right well 690 00:30:08,369 --> 00:30:05,919 it was a huge hit the incubator babies 691 00:30:10,769 --> 00:30:08,379 in Coney Island 33 World's Fair comes 692 00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:10,779 along right and he sets up here in 693 00:30:23,649 --> 00:30:19,560 [Music] 694 00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:23,659 well it turns out so he was actually in 695 00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:26,179 that's it the fans in the Chicago 696 00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:30,169 World's Fair yeah so right well well 85% 697 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:33,110 of all all babies survived so this is 698 00:30:37,419 --> 00:30:35,210 this guy this was a blessing you just 699 00:30:38,919 --> 00:30:37,429 think about this right and it cost a 700 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:38,929 nickel to see them and I coach threw 701 00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:40,850 that up I post it on Facebook and 702 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:42,500 Instagram for you guys to see that that 703 00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:43,970 ticket they have the ticket which is 704 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:45,740 okay a ten dollar ticket right but like 705 00:30:49,779 --> 00:30:47,990 try and find one right that was the 706 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:49,789 admission it was a nickel to come in and 707 00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,370 see them right right well yeah right 708 00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,720 exactly but let's think of the good that 709 00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:58,399 that anyway so she tells me this and I 710 00:31:02,649 --> 00:31:00,740 said I know I know what I know what he's 711 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:02,659 gonna get but I gotta find it so I talk 712 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:04,010 to all my ephemera people I said give me 713 00:31:11,310 --> 00:31:07,370 a couple weeks right and I find a real 714 00:31:13,659 --> 00:31:11,320 photo postcard of the inside of the 715 00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:13,669 exhibit right and this is what's great 716 00:31:16,899 --> 00:31:14,600 about this is where it gets really 717 00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:16,909 Kearney because you've got these giant 718 00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:18,860 nurses all dressed in white with the 719 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:21,649 shoulder pads and the huge hats and and 720 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:23,570 right and these teeny little babies 721 00:31:28,899 --> 00:31:26,690 right so you get the dynamic of the 722 00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:28,909 sideshow the small that the large to the 723 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:31,520 small right so she comes in I give this 724 00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:33,890 to her she cannot she cannot believe 725 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:36,140 this right and I said and how much you 726 00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,610 want for it I says I don't want anything 727 00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:39,440 for it I don't want anything for it I 728 00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,140 says all I all I want you to do is call 729 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:44,960 me on his birthday and let me know how 730 00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:47,870 it went right so I just gave her the a 731 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:51,350 real photo postcard of the nurses 732 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:52,970 holding the nurses holding the nurse 733 00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:54,289 nurse and they're seeing the baby I 734 00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:56,750 found that later I didn't have the 735 00:32:00,190 --> 00:31:58,220 ticket that I'd even know he could find 736 00:32:01,930 --> 00:32:00,200 a ticket I've since twenty years later I 737 00:32:05,289 --> 00:32:01,940 found the ticket no you can't have it 738 00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:08,720 and it opens the door so she calls me 739 00:32:13,249 --> 00:32:10,919 and she says I gave it to my father and 740 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:13,259 she says this you know 70 something 741 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:15,450 year-old man burst into tears I've never 742 00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:17,610 seen him cry before and he held it up 743 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:21,539 and he said this is where I'm from this 744 00:32:31,249 --> 00:32:28,049 is who I am so that's a story in the 745 00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,259 book and it's a began just showing that 746 00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:33,240 it's not about them necessarily the 747 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:35,159 value of things but how important things 748 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:40,590 are in our life I feel the same light 749 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:42,450 way when I find something I mean 750 00:32:48,139 --> 00:32:46,169 something really rare it's not about the 751 00:32:50,299 --> 00:32:48,149 value the value is secondary and it's 752 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,309 valuable because it's rare but it's so 753 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:51,840 exciting to like hold something 754 00:33:00,200 --> 00:32:57,330 extremely rare in your hands yeah that's 755 00:33:03,619 --> 00:33:00,210 right yeah well I wanted to ask you 756 00:33:05,419 --> 00:33:03,629 about bakelite fakes copies 757 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:05,429 reproductions what's going on with that 758 00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:07,080 and then we're pretty much wrapping it 759 00:33:11,419 --> 00:33:08,120 up after that 760 00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:11,429 so there are artisans working in 761 00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:13,860 bakelite some of them in the US are 762 00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:17,580 using old stock and carving it and they 763 00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:19,590 usually tell you that they've done that 764 00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:22,169 but then there's also stuff coming in 765 00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,419 from possibly an Asian market I'm not 766 00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:25,919 sure if it's Thailand or where it's 767 00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:29,039 coming in from but it's very similar and 768 00:33:34,419 --> 00:33:30,840 even test this bakelite with all the 769 00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:34,429 tests so it's actually the same chemical 770 00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:37,519 the problem is is that there's something 771 00:33:43,399 --> 00:33:40,799 around the carving that's like a residue 772 00:33:45,259 --> 00:33:43,409 like a sawdust if you will that wouldn't 773 00:33:48,879 --> 00:33:45,269 be on an old piece of bakelite that's 774 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:48,889 patina but it's very hard to detect and 775 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:52,350 me being a collector for 30 years if I 776 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:53,850 have to look at it with a loupe to tell 777 00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:56,370 that it's a fakir reproduction whatever 778 00:34:00,560 --> 00:33:58,019 method they're using to make these 779 00:34:01,999 --> 00:34:00,570 pieces I would say be where you should 780 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:02,009 always know where you're getting your 781 00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:03,960 things work with the dealer that you 782 00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:05,879 trust work with the dealer that has a 783 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:09,300 reputation that that you know you can 784 00:34:13,339 --> 00:34:11,550 you know go to and say I don't feel 785 00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:13,349 comfortable about this piece bakelite 786 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:15,990 has a certain weight a certain fee 787 00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:19,290 but the new things have copied it very 788 00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:20,940 well the weight is a little bit lighter 789 00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:23,820 and again there's this weird residue but 790 00:34:32,090 --> 00:34:29,639 there's the strange residue the colors a 791 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:32,100 little bit off but again the colors 792 00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:34,530 could vary because they were made in 793 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:37,230 different factories so color there's a 794 00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:39,840 lot of colors in bakelite so antipathies 795 00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:42,659 the weights a little off but it's hard 796 00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:44,580 without having the same piece in your 797 00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:45,659 other hand 798 00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:47,940 to tell that the weights a little off 799 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:49,379 but if you have two pieces that are 800 00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:51,600 carved the same you could see that the 801 00:34:56,780 --> 00:34:54,419 weight is a little lighter but it is I 802 00:34:59,180 --> 00:34:56,790 would say extremely hard to tell now 803 00:35:01,460 --> 00:34:59,190 some people don't sell them for as much 804 00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,470 money so that's an indicator right there 805 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:03,900 if you're buying a Philadelphia bracelet 806 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:08,850 and it's $700 and it's usually $2,000 807 00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:10,950 you know that you probably have a new 808 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:14,040 one but maybe it's worth two to five 809 00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,720 hundred dollars to have a new one 810 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:18,180 because you can't get one for 2,000 so 811 00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:20,010 these are decisions you have to make are 812 00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:21,720 you buying it for fashion or are you 813 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:23,670 buying it for the fact that it's a 814 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:39,579 I've been asked this question so many 815 00:35:44,859 --> 00:35:43,130 times and it's never nothing ever pans 816 00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:44,869 out exactly the way I think but then 817 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:46,430 other things happen that are really good 818 00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:49,160 so I kind of just at this point it's 819 00:35:53,319 --> 00:35:50,750 been so many years I really feel kind of 820 00:35:55,299 --> 00:35:53,329 beaten down I mean come on 821 00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,309 you know wind storms heat storms I'm not 822 00:36:00,579 --> 00:35:57,440 an outdoor kind of person that I like 823 00:36:02,799 --> 00:36:00,589 this but it's fun it's fun I just want 824 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:02,809 to have fun at this point yeah and if I 825 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:04,730 can make some money you know that's kind 826 00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:06,730 of the deal and and I want to see 827 00:36:12,789 --> 00:36:09,740 everybody thrive I really want this to 828 00:36:15,759 --> 00:36:12,799 continue you know I want my daughter to 829 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:15,769 say I love your cigarette lighters can I 830 00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:18,410 have them because I've already promised 831 00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:19,940 them to my stepdaughter because she 832 00:36:24,309 --> 00:36:21,380 loves them and my daughter's like I 833 00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:24,319 don't care yeah so I hope she wants them 834 00:36:27,579 --> 00:36:25,940 because she's gonna get all of it you 835 00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:27,589 know so she's better figured I don't 836 00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:29,960 want it all getting sold off so that's 837 00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:35,119 it yeah I just um hope that you find 838 00:36:40,059 --> 00:36:37,369 things you enjoy collecting and wear 839 00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:40,069 them and and pass them down with stories 840 00:36:43,779 --> 00:36:42,230 so that people will continue again like 841 00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:43,789 Sally said if the young people aren't 842 00:36:49,779 --> 00:36:47,180 engaged it won't continue so try to keep 843 00:36:53,859 --> 00:36:49,789 it going with your families and friends 844 00:36:55,809 --> 00:36:53,869 yeah I would say to people be a little 845 00:36:57,069 --> 00:36:55,819 less obsessed with money and I always 846 00:36:59,319 --> 00:36:57,079 say if you could just put that out of 847 00:37:01,960 --> 00:36:59,329 your head for just a couple minutes and 848 00:37:03,309 --> 00:37:01,970 think about think about the object I 849 00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:03,319 know it's and something just kind of 850 00:37:09,759 --> 00:37:06,950 crazy that as an analogy that if there 851 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:09,769 were a fire in your house what item 852 00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:12,410 would choose you what item would save 853 00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:19,339 yeah I actually yep I was asked that 854 00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:23,099 question this week as I was coming out 855 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:25,859 here we have a very dry of real dry 856 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:29,130 spell where I live and the new neighbor 857 00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,530 below lives in the bottom of a field in 858 00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,720 the bottom of the hill and he had set a 859 00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:36,480 fire like a four brush or something 860 00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:39,780 a few few nice ahead and my girlfriend 861 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,630 asked me she said what in the house do 862 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:44,940 you want to save if the place goes on 863 00:37:49,549 --> 00:37:48,089 fire and I could I could only think of 864 00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:49,559 like well I have a small beautiful 865 00:37:54,289 --> 00:37:51,990 Hudson River painting that is pretty 866 00:37:56,420 --> 00:37:54,299 rare and I said that's easy to grab but 867 00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:56,430 don't grab anything just hit yourself on 868 00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,770 the dog out you know that's all but 869 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:00,599 anyway I love that I love that well 870 00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:02,130 would choose you that's great something 871 00:38:06,859 --> 00:38:03,630 yeah excellent 872 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:06,869 so that's yeah all right so that's gonna 873 00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:08,490 be it for the show thank you all very